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Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

i wanna know, do you really think they're so degrading of people? i know so many people who are judged because of drugs - be it cannabis, alcohol, cocaine... but i also know people on other drugs such as heroin who are extremely looked down on, however they have a story to it and they are brilliant people despite their addiction. do you really think lower of 'drug addicts'? my point is people love kate moss, and she's a cocaine addict... so would you judge a local 'druggie'?

over 9 years ago

#1
Emma F

Emma F.

SCOTLAND,
United Kingdom

415 posts

i wouldn't look down on a person if they used drugs. but sometimes its what people to do get the money for drugs, like stealing etc. as soon as they did something like that i would lose all respect for them.

0 · July 30, 2009

#2
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Emma F.

yeah, that's a point i didn't think of actually... i know people who do that too and they're actually better than that. some people get into messes because of other people and it's so sad :/

0 · July 30, 2009

#3
Nicole McKee

Nicole M.

United Kingdom

314 posts

I look down on people with serious drug problems, I admit that.
But then I also sympathise with them.
I do voluntary work at a soup kitchen for the homeless and the other week some guy was saying how he dropped out of school at 14 to look after his mum and then when she died he was left homeless and with no qualifications. He also said how a bunch of people are after his blood and stuff so he drinks and takes drugs to make it all go away, then he passes out and wakes up to find what little money he had has been stolen from him.
It's heartbreaking stuff really.

0 · July 30, 2009

#4
Aurora .

Aurora ..

ONTARIO,
Canada

3740 posts

People that use drugs are usually self-medicating - they should try to fix or get help with whatever made them start in the first place. People on drugs don't function the same way as they did before they started... thats the only problem I really have with it.
Now that I got that out of the way. I don't look down on people for it, but I don't always think of them the same way. I've seen people I was really close to screw up their lives comepletly or die because of it. It's hard to watch people that put them selves through that.

0 · July 30, 2009

#5
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Nicole M.

that's awful :/ if his mother didn't get ill, his life would have been so much better :(

0 · July 30, 2009

#6
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Aurora ..

but people have just taken them for fun and for socialising too... like me and my friends, a lot of people aren't the typical stereotype 'druggie' which is my point of this thread (:

0 · July 30, 2009

#7
Aurora .

Aurora ..

ONTARIO,
Canada

3740 posts

@Laura R.

So you're just talking about people that use them recreationally?
I don't think people should need them to be social.

0 · July 30, 2009

#8
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Aurora ..

i'm not too sure what i'm talking about - my point was that there are people out there that think so badly of drugs and i wanted people to know that they're not all so bad after all. basically i just wanted to know the opinions of others and if they realised other points of view.

0 · July 30, 2009

#9
Aurora .

Aurora ..

ONTARIO,
Canada

3740 posts

@Laura R.

"i'm not too sure what i'm talking about" - sorry, you should kind of know what you're talking about if you have a strong opinion on this
"they're not all so bad after all" - yeah, drugs can be pretty bad. Don't worry the worst they can do is kill you, but its not like thats a big deal or anything.
I don't treat people differently because they use drugs. It really is their choice, and hopefully it won't get out of hand.

Sorry - How old are you? Just curious.

1 · July 30, 2009

#10
Lila F

Lila F.

United States

648 posts

I can't help looking down on then a bit, i guess, having a boyfriend who was addicted and treated you horribly. I try not to thought because i know everyone is not the same.

0 · July 30, 2009

#11
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Aurora ..

16.

0 · July 30, 2009

#12
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Lila F.

i'm in the same situation, which is a reason why i posted the thread to start with.

0 · July 30, 2009

#13
Lila F

Lila F.

United States

648 posts

my advice would be to get out of it as soon as possible. when my ex's usage was light at the beginning I thought nothing of it, but it got worse and worse and i ended up in a terrible situation that has effected the current, and healthy relationship i'm in today.

0 · July 30, 2009

#14
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Lila F.

you're probably right. i have no money anymore because i stupidly believe him when he says he'll pay me back and i'm emotionally wrecked. i've lost all trust and i'm deeply hurt from what he does and what he inflicts upon me.

0 · July 30, 2009

#15
Lila F

Lila F.

United States

648 posts

it's not good. and also incredibly hard to actually end it, or at least was for me. It is completely unfair to you and you should be happy with the person you're with. If you want to talk more about it or need someone to talk to about it. you can email me :) lilajeanlynn@gmail.com

0 · July 30, 2009

#16
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

Don't judge or criticise illicit substances unless you have done them. 95% of the people I know have absolutly NO understanding of psychoactives. The misinformation that the media spreads about the Herb, the sacred mushroom or the lovely poppy is sickening. On top of that, the drugs that are legal and state sanctioned cause the most damage to society, alcohol is responsable for 25% of deaths world wide, cigarettes are filled with carcengenic agents that are added as a means of population control. The "illegal" drugs have only been banned in the last century. Opium, cannabis and cocaine were readily available in drug stores. In the history books the only problems with these substances were created by governments. Britian waged war on China twice in order to keep to Opium trade going. The US backed war on drugs is a spectacular fucking failure, since the invasion of Afghanistan; production of the Poppy in that country has gone up 600% despite being completely illegal. DMT is one of the most illegal substances on the planet despite being naturally produced in the human brain. The only reason its illegal is because it offers a glimpse of a completely different world, something no one can actually understand unless its been experienced. Walter Crick, the guy who discovered DNA said he would have never thought of it, if it hadn't been for LSD. We all know the Beatles would sucked without acid, they wouldn't have sonically diverged and written great songs(Its only a northern song, anyone?) We all know the government doesn't want you to have a similar mindset to these great individuals, it would ruin the current socio-economic status quo and peoples acceptance of the bullshit jobs and taxes that they have to contend with. Sure some substances like cocaine, heroin, and alcohol can be crippling addictive, but there are highly UNADDICTIVE substances like Ayahuasca, LSD and Ibogaine that have successfully been used to treat addiction. They did LSD research here in Saskatchewan in the 50s and 60s. They found they could successfully get half of the alcoholics who took acid to stop drinking; this is a great success rate compared to AA where only 6% of the addicted people acutally succeed with conquoring their demons.

Those who disagree simply don't know, if you've never felt the dimensional realms melt around you and your own perception of yourself and your relationship to others change, then you've probably lead an incredibly sheltered existance where the greater mysteries of life are best left unexplored and unexplained.


Point being, its up to the individual to decide what goes in to their body, and not the state. If the state had peoples saftey in mind they would ban fast food, cigarettes, alcohol, soft drinks, methyl-parabins and all of the other cancer causing agents found in shampoo and make up. Would you have alcohol banned again? Considering how it already was a spectacular failure, maybe the prohibition of drugs is the same sort of thing.




0 · July 30, 2009

#17
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts



Are you part of the solution, or are you part of the problem?

0 · July 30, 2009

#18
Katrín Hammer

Katrín H.

LUND,
Sweden

1815 posts

The only thing I can't stand is if someone is preaching about how bad drugs are and drink alcohol or smoke. It's hypocritical! Just because drinking and smoking is socially accepted doesn't make it any less dangerous. Actually, it's more dangerous than some drugs that are illegal. And I agree with what Ellis said: "its up to the individual to decide what goes in to their body, and not the state".

0 · July 30, 2009

#20
Aurora .

Aurora ..

ONTARIO,
Canada

3740 posts

@Laura R.

If thats the kind of situation you're in you need to try to get out as soon as you can and it will be hard, so make sure that you have people that will be able to support you and help you through it

0 · July 30, 2009

#22
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

@Aurora ..

Without weed I can be a pretty disagreeable, angry gentleman.

Before I started my psychedelic journeying I was an emotional robot, I couldn't even precieve the emotions of others.
Drugs saved me, from myself.

0 · July 30, 2009

#23
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=690971483045089968&ei=30xySs7nLouWrQLu0b3tBw&q=jaguar+dmt&hl=en&client=osd-intl-10464699


would anyone throw this Jaguar in a cage for doing drugs? Why throw people in cages for things they do to themselves?

0 · July 30, 2009

#24
Zoë Harvey

Zoë H.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

718 posts

I look down on people with drug problems, I really have no sympathy for any of them. both of my parents were drug addicts (especially my father) to the point that I moved out when I was 17, and I have not seen my dad for over 5 years, he is really really abusive, physically and emotionally. it has many physcological reprecoussions on me and my brother. my dad has been in and out of jail and hasent had a job for 5 years, Ill probably never speack to him again. I will never do drugs, because there is SUCH a long line of people in my family having drug problems. and I drink alcohal, and it use to be a problem, I would hate to know what drugs would do to me.

0 · July 31, 2009

#25
Aurora .

Aurora ..

ONTARIO,
Canada

3740 posts

@Ellis D.

It's good to know that some people can do better like that. I only know people that have destroyed themselves.

0 · July 31, 2009

#26
Sophie Leigh D

Sophie Leigh D.

ENGLAND,
United Kingdom

2132 posts

personally i think people can drugs if they want because really its none of my buisness what they want to do with their lives.
some of my friends really look down on people who do drugs and judge them before they know them and i always get really angry and say they could be the nicest people in the world for all you know and your judging them before you've even know anything about them apart from the fact they do drugs. although, what really pisses me off is that theres this girl in my year and she had a baby in december (a week after she'd just turned 15) and she still does drugs even though she has a baby i seriously just want to slap her and tell her to sort herself out because its actually ridiculous and it pisses me off even more that some of my friends that judge people for using drugs all think shes really cool and obsess over her and its fucking hypocritical and it does my head in

0 · July 31, 2009

#27
M. Kevin G . J

M. Kevin G.

COPENHAGEN,
Denmark

1 posts

hands down, if i am at party and ppl start snoring Coke, ill leave and think fucking loosers. Only cuz i know how it is to be addicted and hate any type of abuse of drugs. But keep in mind i said abuse, if u at a party and somebody drops by and say hey, lets smoke. that wud seem fine with me. but harder drugs like coke etc is kinda abuse in my eyes

0 · July 31, 2009

#28
Song- Thanh L.

Song- Thanh L.

Netherlands

9 posts

i dont look down to people who used drugs. I've used it for 1,5 years. Started with joints etc, I've snored coke too. Now, I've many friends who are in the 'drugscene'. I was clean when i went to school, but at night or weekend, partyhardy! from alcohol to weed, i loved it all.

0 · July 31, 2009

#29
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Song- Thanh L.

same really. everyone has their views on things but basically, some people aren't so open minded as to realise why people do things like that... be it pressure or just for fun etc. i think critisizing for these kind of these really are wrong.

0 · July 31, 2009

#30
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Sophie Leigh D.

yeah that really is bad, especially the fact that she's so young.

0 · July 31, 2009

#31
Zoë Harvey

Zoë H.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

718 posts

@Laura R.

you really honestly condone that kind of behavior? she is talking about doing coke like its at the same level with weed. this makes me really upset.

0 · July 31, 2009

#32
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

this is exactly what i'm talking about, you'll never know what drugs are like unless people have told you or you've taken them. coke actually does less than weed does.

0 · July 31, 2009

#33
Zoë Harvey

Zoë H.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

718 posts

@Laura R.

Ive seen my parents first hand on both of those drugs, when they were on coke they were definatly worse people as to weed they just didnt do shit. what if you guys carry on those habits when you do have children? thinnk about that, and how it effects the people around you and who you care about, I mean even you know the butt end of a loved one abuseing you while useing. its really REALLy awful to be on that end.

0 · July 31, 2009

#34
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Zoë H.

why take it so far? coke is one thing i've done once in my life. as if i would do that to my own flesh and blood.

0 · July 31, 2009

#35
Zoë Harvey

Zoë H.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

718 posts

@Laura R.

it just happens ALOT with people. Ive known so many parents that do hard drugs while having kids and most of the time the kids turned out fucked up to. have you ever had your father offer you a blunt? or a beer? when you were 12? for god fucking sakes I was still a kid, and this is why I will never see my father again, he is not a father, just someone who wants to have fun. and it doesnt matter if they are your flesh and blood, if the addiction has a hold on you, that is all you care about.

0 · July 31, 2009

#36
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

yeah, my dad offered me beer when i was twelve.
but like i say, i'm not the kind of person who is stupid enough to get addicted. i have a good head on my shoulders and i know where the line is and never to cross it. i would never, ever put my children through that.

0 · July 31, 2009

#37
Zoë Harvey

Zoë H.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

718 posts

@Laura R.

forgive me, but most people arent like you.

0 · July 31, 2009

#38
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

@Aurora ..

Often its the KIND of drugs that people are doing that determines the kind of damage thats caused. Generally anything thats synthetic, or indeed synthesized from natural materials will be more harmful than organic alkaloids and plant substances.

Coke(one of the few drugs I havn't done) for instance is pretty benign in its most natural form, the coca leaf, people chew on them and its like drinking a cup of coffee. But by mixing those leaves with hydrochloric acid, a more inherantly sinister(& addictive) byproduct of those leaves is created; powdered cocaine. This sometimes gets mixed with baking soda and turned into crack, which is even more dangerous and addictive. The same principal could even be applied to pot. Hash is made out of compressed trichromes, its stronger than ganja. Honey oil is HELLA potent, practicually psychedelic if taken orally, and its usually extracted with butane or other gases. "Hippie Crack" is just cannabis thats been extracted using isopropenol or acetone. It has a 98% THC content, which will usually put any experienced toker into a disoriented haze from just one hit.

In summary.... If It Grows in the Ground, Its Safe and Sound. If Its made in a Lab, its probably Bad.

0 · July 31, 2009

#39
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

@Zoë H.

Some hipsters think they're one in the same, just like some fools believe Peyote and Acid are the same.

Coke isn't good for anyone, but I would rather let people find that out for themselves instead of preaching.....the history of cocaine is saturated in bloodshed.

0 · July 31, 2009

#40
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Ellis D.

why is it saturated in bloodshed?

0 · July 31, 2009

#41
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

@Laura R.

Uh.... the war on drugs, the Contra movement, the FARC, the current drug war going on in Mexico right now. The CIA introduced crack to America in 1984.

Well travelled cocaine users have told me not to do it, just out of respect for all of the people who've been murdered on both sides of that struggle.

Google the School of the Americas

0 · July 31, 2009

#42
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

@Ellis D.

you know an awful lot about drugs.

0 · July 31, 2009

#43
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

@Laura R.

some would say its an unhealthy interest, while I contend that I would rather understand what I put into my body instead of blindly downing dirty pills without knowing what to expect.

Knowledge is Power

0 · July 31, 2009

#44
Laura Rogan

Laura R.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

427 posts

to say i don't see cocaine as bad, i would never, ever put a pill into my body.

0 · July 31, 2009

#45
Zoe Clyde

Zoe C.

Zimbabwe

1365 posts

meh. i've seen people go in a downwards spiral because of drugs, and i've seen people who are exactly the same. depends on the person, i guess. i don't look down on them, because i understand them and am empathetic.

0 · August 1, 2009

#46
Kirsty Rose

Kirsty R.

DUNSTABLE,
United Kingdom

529 posts

@Zoë H.

i most definitely agree with you on this topic.. i used to dabble in drugs but have not touched a single one since becoming pregnant with my first child..

i have no problem with people that want to try drugs but when they continue after having kids it disgusts me.. i know some people that do and its like you say.. it's their selfishness in having fun that overtakes their priority of being a parent!

0 · August 1, 2009

#47
Jen O. Cide

Jen O. C.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

3608 posts

I smoke pot on a semi-regular basis (sometimes I smoke every other day, sometimes I go weeks without doing it) and living in Vancouver if you have a problem with weed you should basically just move to another town. I'm also a fan of psychedelics (acid/mushrooms) because it's not really addictive, and it's interesting and lucid so you get to properly enjoy it even after it's over instead of being like 'ugggh what happened last night'.

My old roommate had a pretty serious heroin and coke problem and it was very terrible to watch her fall apart while refusing to admit to anyone that she was anything but a casual user, so we couldn't help her. She'd disappear for days and let her phone batteries run out so no one could reach her; more than once her mom came by the house at 1 or 2 in the morning because she was worried after not being able to reach her for several days. After moving out of my place she had someone break in to her apartment and that incident combined with not being able to afford her rent sort of scared her into moving back in with her parents. After about a year of relapses while saying she was clean, she finally got into rehab and got cleaned up for real and is now 7 months sober. I am proud of her but it just sort of solidifies my want to never experiment with hard drugs like that.

On the other hand, a friend of mine has been dating a functional heroin user for several years. He's very skinny and his sleep schedule gets fucked up and sometimes he gets a little rambly and cranky, but he holds down a job and is mostly normal. So I guess some people just handle themselves differently on certain things. Like I know people who've gotten terribly sick and paranoid doing mushrooms, while I've never had anything but an amazing time.

I think alcohol is the worst, though. It mostly turns people into loud, obnoxious assholes who do stupid things and then feel like shit the next day - not even touching on how terrible true alcoholism can be - and yet this is the drug that is legal and easily obtainable pretty much anywhere.

0 · August 1, 2009

#48
Ellis Dee

Ellis D.

VANCOUVER,
Canada

7596 posts

What makes me sad is how everybody here in this thread is talking about only the negative and bad things that drugs do, without really considering how spectacular, beautiful and amazing it can all be.

If I ever spent my life with someone, I would MOST DEFINETLY need to share the DMT experience with them just because it is literally the most wonderfully enlightening and beautiful things I have ever experienced. When inhaled it feels like sensory overload, you witness all of the empty invisible matter gain visual properties and gain an extraterrestrial blast of data and information that elevates your conciousness and transforms you into a more complete living being. Your sense of time is completely altered as it only lasts a few minuites(anywhere from 5-40) but it literally feels like you have experienced all time from beginning to end. I've felt like I've had connections to the spirits of dead people while on it, I saw the face of a really young man who was dying in a Car accident and felt like his recently departed spirit was trying in some vain effort to reach out to me because he didn't want to die and my conciousness was the only one he was able to access because of my altered state.

I've indulged in alot of drugs:
I smoke ganja, honey oil or hash practically every day that I'm able to. I've dranken Bhang twice &
done mushrooms an unrememberable amount of times, probably +50 different mushroom trips at least
I've smoked dmt about 16 times and dranken ayahuasca 3 times
done acid almost 20 times
done ectascy about 10 times, I don't particularly like it
had opium about a dozen times I've taken Syrian Rue combined with other orally taken drugs to boost them & give them more umpph. I've done ketamine 4 or 5 times. I've lost count of the amphetamines I've done. Kava Kava 3 or 4 times, Salvia D 5 times, whippets once, 2C-I once, Chewed some Coleus leaves a couple times, dranken Mandrake tea, smoked Wormwood and Thujone extract a whole bunch, did Heroin once, I tried eating Datura but I spit the seed pod out instead of succumbing to its delirium. Taken LSA in the form of Morning Glory seeds.

I've combined alot of these drugs together, the best high is really a drug cocktail. Candy-Flipping is Fun, Hippy-Tripping is Gnarly Unpredictable, K-Flipping is wonky. This one time I crushed mushrooms, syrian rue, and morning glory seeds into a bunch of pill capsuals. I ingested 18 pills(4 syrian rue, 6 LSA and 8 mushroom) felt pretty trippy, but then got sick and puked a long stream of vomit going down my hallway into the bathroom, then passed out waking up like 3 hours later still madly high from that combination. It was like the scene near the end of Fear and Loathing where Hunter examines their destroyed hotel room.

Another time I ate 6 weed cookies and passed out from the excessive thc, waking up a few hours later as still high as I was before I fell asleep. That was one of the best feelings ever.

Don't get me started on how drugs feel combined with sex, the feeling is undescribable.

0 · August 3, 2009

#49
Selina M

Selina M.

LONDON,
United Kingdom

5709 posts

i'm preachy and judgemental, i wouldn't touch any recreational drugs and while i don't know anyone who uses them destructively, if i did, i would judge them for it

0 · November 1, 2014

  

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